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Re: Automatic Watering System Not Working
« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2017, 10:14:01 am »
Disclaimer: This post was originally posted by Hero Member, TNcheech. This user is located in Western TN - Zone 7. This was originally posted on July 18, 2008.

Although I don't have an AWS, I have been concerned about the levelness of my EBs.  I have a slight slope where they are.  I have placed them so the overflow is on the high end of the box.  I felt this would result in "more than adequate" fill level rather than "less than needed."  Any thoughts?   

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Re: Automatic Watering System Not Working
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2017, 10:15:29 am »
Disclaimer: This post was originally posted by Hero Member, mjb8743. This user is located in Zone 7, South NJ, Garden State. This was originally posted on July 18, 2008.

I too have a sloped garden. It doesn't look very steep, but from a distance, I can see it right away. Where water is concerned, it's steep enough to cause problems. Since it's the distance between the AWS cup and the water surface that matters, from what I understand, there's a little flexibility here. There's a point when the valve will trip, so if the space increases slightly, it might mean the water level only has to drop a little to trip it. Conversely, if the box is tipped so that the space decreases, then in filling, it will just take a small amount to raise the water level and trip the valve again.

It's not really confusing. You can test the valve beforehand to ensure it's functioning properly by raising or lowering it in a glass of water. However, I'm trying to figure out a good, easy way to tell if the valve is functioning correctly once it's installed in the box. I don't want to wait until things start wilting to find out it's not turning on. If it's not turning off, that's easy... water will overflow.

Most of my boxes are set up the long way on the slope. One row has the tube on the low end, and the next row has the tube on the high end. A few boxes go across the slope on the high end of the garden, so their tubes are on the low end of the tilt.

I think I need to borrow someone's idea for a float/dipstick with marks for empty and full so I can monitor the situation.

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Re: Automatic Watering System Not Working
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2017, 10:17:52 am »
Disclaimer: This post was originally posted by Hero Member, RatedPG. This user is located in Zone 8B, Jacksonville, FL. This was originally posted on July 18, 2008.
Disclaimer: This post was originally posted by Hero Member, mjb8743. This user is located in Zone 7, South NJ, Garden State. This was originally posted on July 18, 2008.

I too have a sloped garden. It doesn't look very steep, but from a distance, I can see it right away. Where water is concerned, it's steep enough to cause problems. Since it's the distance between the AWS cup and the water surface that matters, from what I understand, there's a little flexibility here. There's a point when the valve will trip, so if the space increases slightly, it might mean the water level only has to drop a little to trip it. Conversely, if the box is tipped so that the space decreases, then in filling, it will just take a small amount to raise the water level and trip the valve again.

It's not really confusing. You can test the valve beforehand to ensure it's functioning properly by raising or lowering it in a glass of water. However, I'm trying to figure out a good, easy way to tell if the valve is functioning correctly once it's installed in the box. I don't want to wait until things start wilting to find out it's not turning on. If it's not turning off, that's easy... water will overflow.

Most of my boxes are set up the long way on the slope. One row has the tube on the low end, and the next row has the tube on the high end. A few boxes go across the slope on the high end of the garden, so their tubes are on the low end of the tilt.

I think I need to borrow someone's idea for a float/dipstick with marks for empty and full so I can monitor the situation.

Mickie


Here's how I monitor my AWS:

I have a quiet garden so I can hear the slightest sound.  I know when the AWS valve has closed when I don't hear the sound of dripping water.  I know that it works when I lift it up a bit from the fill tube and "perch" the clips on the rim of the tube.  Then I wait for the EB to overflow.  As soon as I lower the AWS, the valve closes and I know it works.  I randomly check my 12 EB's with AWS valves in them every time I'm free.

Am I making sense?  Too bad it's raining outside, I'm not able to take pics of what I'm talking about.

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Re: Automatic Watering System Not Working
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2017, 10:20:13 am »
Disclaimer: This post was originally posted by Hero Member, Donald1800. This user is located in Fontana, CA Zone 8. This was originally posted on July 18, 2008.

1. If you have a 150/200 mesh filter installed and you have had the AWS valves operating over a long period of time, your trust will increase and eventually you will not see any further need to check them.  Believe me, these valves are the ultimate in reliability.

2. DO NOT allow your boxes to be unlevel!  Take the time to properly 'shim' to a measured level using a carpenter's level.  You are only allowed to be a lazy gardener when the EB system is properly installed - and UNLEVEL is not properly installed.  Any other 'adjustment/orientation' is still NOT LEVEL".  It is a justification and 'Feeling Good' about the unlevel condition.  Do it right.

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Re: Automatic Watering System Not Working
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2017, 10:21:17 am »
Disclaimer: This post was originally posted by Full Member, kbirdz. This user is located in Zone 9 - Oroville, CA. This was originally posted on July 18, 2008.

Another question about the 1/8" tubing going to the valve.  They give you a 2' piece.  Does this need to be longer and, if so, how much longer?  Donald recommended making sure it was long enough to be able to easily remove the valve if needed.  I'm trying to get all my pieces put together so it will be all set to go when I can install the whole thing.

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Re: Automatic Watering System Not Working
« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2017, 10:22:35 am »
Disclaimer: This post was originally posted by Hero Member, mjb8743. This user is located in Zone 7, South NJ, Garden State. This was originally posted on July 18, 2008.

Disclaimer: This post was originally posted by Full Member, kbirdz. This user is located in Zone 9 - Oroville, CA. This was originally posted on July 18, 2008.

Another question about the 1/8" tubing going to the valve.  They give you a 2' piece.  Does this need to be longer and, if so, how much longer?  Donald recommended making sure it was long enough to be able to easily remove the valve if needed.  I'm trying to get all my pieces put together so it will be all set to go when I can install the whole thing.

It needs to be long enough to reach the main supply tubing without stretching it taut. Ideally, it will be long enough to have some extra length that you can coil and tie into what's known as a "service loop". If all they gave you was 2 ft, then use the whole piece... don't cut it shorter.

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Re: Automatic Watering System Not Working
« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2017, 10:24:35 am »
Disclaimer: this post was originally posted by Newbie, lynntinkham. This was originally posted on April 19, 2013.

I am trying to install my AMS and the brochure says that the pressure regulators have to be at the same height or higher than the sensor. I am running the thick tubing about 30 feet from my water source. My backyard slopes down. I have my boxes level (finally) but now I see that my backyard is lower than my front (where my water spicket is) probably around a foot. How will this effect my boxes and the AMS? AND, is there something I could buy if I need to make my spicket lower???

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Re: Automatic Watering System Not Working
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2017, 10:27:47 am »
Disclaimer: This post was originally posted by Hero Member, movrshakr. This user is located in Zone 10a - near Cape Canaveral. This was originally posted on April 19,
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Lynn, your description confuses me...it sounds like your yard slopes downhill, which would leave the spigot (where the pressure regulator will be) higher than where the boxes are.  That is perfectly acceptable.

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Re: Automatic Watering System Not Working
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2017, 10:29:07 am »
Disclaimer: This post was originally posted by Horticulturalist, over 45 years in the business. The EarthBox Hero Member, kathy. This user is located in the mountains of PA Zone 5, almost 4. This was originally posted on April 30, 2013.

That will work just fine, nothing to worry about. If your boxes are level, the sensor will shut off.